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    March 04, 2020

    Starcraft Man attempts DT rush... what could go wrong?

    Man attempts DT rush... what could go wrong?

    Posted: 03 Mar 2020 09:27 PM PST

    How can someone look at these stats and say that the game is balanced with a straight face?????

    Posted: 03 Mar 2020 10:57 AM PST

    Imbalanced Things that Terran Players take for granted that Other Races DON'T have

    Posted: 03 Mar 2020 07:45 AM PST

    Terran players are well known for thinking they are entitled to things like game balance when in reality they have some of the most imbalanced aspects in the whole game:

    1) Soundtrack: Terrans have by far the best soundtrack consisting of heavy metal and light-spirited rock n roll. The other races are stuck with depressing orchestra music while we terrans are blessed with upbeat and motivating guitar tracks.

    2)Campaign: The WOL campaign is the ONLY one that's completely non-linear. Not only does it have the most missions, it also contains a near-endless permutation of mission order to choose from. Meanwhile other races are stuck with boring linear highly-predictable story lines.

    3)Coop Commanders: With a whoopin' 7/18 commanders being terran, we have by far the widest selection to choose from. Everyone knows coop is way more important than ladder (unironically, it actually is), so a wider selection of commanders literally yeilds to a wider range of fun!

    So please terrans, next time before you whine please think about all these things that we have and the other races don't. These are not to be taken for granted.

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    Tired of your vote not making a difference? Today's your last chance to help select next season's ladder maps!

    Posted: 03 Mar 2020 11:19 PM PST

    The state of this god damn subreddit

    Posted: 04 Mar 2020 12:37 AM PST

    Mods banned memes here (basicaly, as the rules set to post memes are so ridiculous nothing viable will get through) for a reason, they wanted healthy discussion and the subreddit not to die.

    But as people on the Pylon Show discussed for hours, the way to get there on a subreddit this small is not to ban memes.

    Lets look at what is happening now. A lot of balance whine posts. Now, lets not discuss wheather there is any merit to the complains, people are entitled to discuss whatever they want, even the notorious "terran whine" has a place here. But we have to take care not to have a circlejerk here. As a zerg player, I feel really unwelcome in any discussion. As someone who understands statistics, I feel really unwelcome in any discussion. Any view on the subject not liked by the terran masses gets downvoted, and because of how downvotes work, noone will see it.

    This subreddit is a place for what, exactly? Even during IEM, the content here sucked. Someone tried to make a game recommendation thread for each day, it never got upvoted and barely had any comments. Because of a hate of spoilers (why are you going to a subreddit if you are not up to date with the tournament... my lord) there were barely any discussions about the games or highlights from the games. What is the content we want here? Balance whine? Surely not... And for gameplay related posts, we have r/allthingsprotoss, r/allthingszerg and r/AllThingsTerran.

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    Why are memes banned here when circlejerking posts about ONE tournament being won by zerg (yeah, again) are flooding it here. The discussion under any such thread is just mudslinging and its not going anywhere. Is this the dream content the mods want here? Mudslinging discussions?

    And actualy, the ones that start as a meme are the best ones from here! The one with Thanos balancing, the one with 100% 2020 winrate of zerg... People seem to have no problem having discussions even under picture posts, the ones you hate so much mods.

    The funny thing I find is that notorious people like u/Nathanias can have a much better discussion with me than most of the people around here. He actualy had ideas on how to buff Terran and how to nerf Zerg in an interesting way and could talk about it on here. But was that relevant and pleasant discussion upvoted? Nope... the top voted stuff is circlejerked variation on "Zerg too good, terran too weak" and any attempts at disputing that (starting a discussion) just gets downvoted instead of discussed.

    I want to mention one last thing. In the guide to what is allowed and what is not, Cold is the Void stalker was in discretion zone. That was the top post for years on this subredit. So now, mods are saying the TOP POST FOR SEVERAL YEARS can just outright get removed because its not "high effort enough". What is high effort anyway, what if it took me several hours to polish the joke? But if I paing a chad and virgin in MS Paint, maybe add zealot hands or something.... that counts as high effort because its original art. Even though the joke I put on there might suck horribly. And it could have taken 2 minutes to make. Its r/gatekeeping, people cannot post jokes here if they are not good enough artists.

    If a point of this sub now is to scream about spoilers at anyone posting anything during a tournament and for a balance whine mudslinging shitfest after the tournament, with little to no discussion and NO MODERATION AT ALL (too busy removing memes I guess), then this sub is on the way to the toilet.

    EDIT: Rifkin got banned but throwawayaccount69 is still here and trolling, even though he is so notorious everyone on the Pylon Show knew him. Nice job there, mods.

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    Ohana means Family.

    Posted: 03 Mar 2020 09:15 AM PST

    Ohana means Family.

    Hello all.

    I am grandpa Toast and I'm going to drop some life advise on y'all jumpy lads. The hostility in this community over the past couple of days was completely unprecedented, and dare I say, uncalled for. Today, from this moment on, we're going to bury the hatchet and show one another some respect. Here's an analysis of what went wrong, the true root causes of the outburst, and how we proceed. As the young folk would say, welcome to my TED talk.

    TLDR:

    - Be nice

    - Be smart

    - Be compassionate

    - Don't post memes.

    Without further ado, the community ass-spanking of a lifetime.

    Ohana means Family.

    https://preview.redd.it/v6c24l4bqhk41.png?width=506&format=png&auto=webp&s=404fdbd6605cb6e0dd06a461b2f89e23c44e32de

    Look at the Zerg counting his wads of cash to your left. The Terran recovering from surgery to your right. The protoss over there in the corner eating glue - they are your family. Some internal competition with your siblings is healthy and good for the development of both individuals, but when you go to town on one another with Mjölnir and Excalibur it's time to intervene.

    We're all fans of the same game. We all want Starcraft to be great, the community to be great, the tournaments to be great. Take a moment to apprecciate that we all have similar goals and values, and share our love for this game and community. We like quabbling over whether Serral is the greatest of all time or whether it's indisputably Maru (it's Harstem, by the way, #DecadeOfHarstem).

    That is the first point I want to make. Ohana means family, and we are a family. Always remember that.

    There's lies, damned lies, and statistics.

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    What is the problem with statistics? They can represent precisely what somebody wants them to represent. Statistics is a mighty weapon that needs to be used with care and caution.

    Are 2019 statistics relevant to determine contemporary balance? Yes and no. The 2019 end-of-year balance patch represents a definite changing point. It affects the statistics and to some extend makes them void. Old data considers old patches, old unit interactions, old players, old matches, old meta. Old. But not necessarily useless. The baseline for our contemporary balance is set in the patch that precedes it. The 2019 balance patch is therefor the current "baseline". It wasn't a pretty baseline to begin with, and therein lies the problem.

    As of 2020, our starting point is as follows: We come from a significantly imbalanced game state and a patch is made. The patch is generally considered to be of a fairly small magnitude. 2019 was not a good year. If you believe anything I just stated is controversial go fuck yourself guy in the chat please let it slide for now and focus on the bigger picture.

    We cannot use 2019 statistics to determine balance for 2020, but these statistics do provide us with another crucial 'input' for the current predicament. Terran and to a lesser extend Protoss come out of 12-24 months of severe under performance relative to the norm. The player base has been expressing frustration for a longer stretch of time. The 2020 patch is not responsible for that, but the 2020 patch does find itself on a very rocky foundation of an already agitated player base.

    Also note that statistics will never provide a satisfactory piece of evidence in a balance discussion. They are always sandwiched between "outdated data" and "small sample size". This just leads to people talking in circles because even agreeing on the numbers to use as evidence is an impossible task. Balance in general is a fairly subjective, fluid thing. The game will never be "perfectly balanced". That shouldn't be the goal either. The goal should be to reach a state of the game where the outcome of a match is determined by player skill as much as possible, and where both players have relevant and impactful decisions to make.

    The Final Drop

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    Many people have rightfully pointed out that the tournament statistics aren't that bad. Terran has a positive winrate against Zerg and a decent one against Protoss, the Round of 8 distribution was 2T/3Z/3P, which is as close to perfectly balanced as can be. Overall, the mood throughout the tournament was actually pretty good. Besides the Showtime-Heromarine incident (which I will come back to later in this TED talk), people were just happy to finally have Starcraft back on the menu!

    But then, shit hit the proverbial fan.

    The Maru/Serral showdown got double sabotaged. This was a huge blow to the tournament as a whole.est nor Rogue were underdogs in these matches. Zest had been tearing nerds apart online and Rogue is an undisputed Top 3 Zerg and has been for years. Unfortunately, the way the Serral/Maru finals was build up suggested that both Zest and Rogue 'stole' their Finals places and the method with which this happened rubbed extra salt in the wounds. To follow up on that, the finals was one of the worst ones we've seen in years (and believe me, Starcraft has seen its fair share of really bad finals).

    When the IEM finals concluded we had two very large problems on our hands. The State of Starcraft first, and the Meta State of Terran secondly.

    The State of Starcraft

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    What is extremely surprising in the current situation is that Starcraft actually is in a surprisingly good place at the moment. For the past year and a half, Blizzard's track record hasn't been exactly to write home about and we were often left wondering what the contingency plan was for Starcraft. With the confirmation of 3 more years of Starcraft under the loving care of lord and savior Apollo, Starcraft is actually in a great place.

    The gameplay in the tournament, however, wasn't exactly great. Another thing that made IEM Katowice a little disappointing was the styles of play employed. Rogue in his interview refers to Baejae-strategies. The meta in IEM Katowice was extremely aggressive to the point where a majority of the games played featured all-ins on 2-3 bases and very few players seemed comfortable going to lategame outside of the mirrors.

    This is a rather worrysome trend, as Starcraft is generally considered to be at its best when macro play is the standard, and all-ins are very targeted counter-strategies. It creates excitement and a constant development of the meta due to the cat-and-mouse game assocciated with these aggressive punishing strategies.

    Now, IEM Katowice is a tournament that is positioned a bit funny in the scope of things. Due to the Corona Virus (wash your hands and keyboards you filthy nerds) IEM Katowice was the first large-scale tournament since the patch well over 3 months ago. For Starcrafts standards, this is a really long time. Whilst the meta continues to develop offline and in practice, the fact that 3 months accumulated into what seemed like an already wide-spread all-in meta is a serious cause for concern, and one that Blizzard needs to take very seriously. For Katowice, this led to a number of games and series not feeling very fun to spectate (after all, many all ins tend to just kill or be killed). This disappointment in general may have a exacerbating effect on what happened the past few days.

    The Meta State of Terran

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    You don't need me to re-hash the statistics. Throughout the tournament there wasn't much Terran to be seen. Maru barely lost out, Innovation went into Serral underprepared, Cure and TY both dropped out in the Ro24 by the skin of their teeth. HeroMarine was a split-second away from qualification. It was so fucking close, but it didn't matter. The Chosen One had fallen by the hands of Rogue and the floodgates were opened.

    But to assume the root cause of all the vented frustration was in Terran missing yet another top 2 finish is missing the point severely. The root cause for Terran frustration is a feeling of disenfranchisement. For years now have Terran players been under-performing relative to what would be expected. And there really are a few problems here that I feel the need to address in depth, because I firmly believe these lay at the core of the shitstorm we find ourselves in today.

    1. Terran players feel like their race is difficult and weak. There are a variety of reasons for this, the micro burden that is placed on Terran, the constant pressure of the clock, and how extremely volatile Terran armies can be. This is where the Showtime/HeroMarine situation comes up: A fantastic series was ended by one Disruptor hit. To the spectator, this is a 3-action sequence from the Protoss player that can be executed in .25 seconds, but would require 10+ actions executed within a second from activation for Terran to survive. This feels unfair. Emphasis on 'feels'. Protoss has difficult things they need to do, Zerg has them too. For Terran, however, it's very easy to observe their mistakes and shortcomings because so much of the racial identity is found in the intense micro control of the Bio army. Add to that the notion that Terran is always pushing against the clock because they have a very difficult and not very strong lategame that they'd like to avoid. All this creates a perception like it's on the Terran to execute difficult control under great pressure whereas the opposing player sits back, has an easier time defending with less attention required while they sit on their buts chronobooting upgrades. This is not the case, but that's how it is perceived. This is also why it is easy to feel like Terran's get robbed or lose unfairly. Perception is a powerful thing.
    2. Terran has underperformed for three years. Terran players want somebody to cheer for, but they don't have them. It feels like a kick in the teeth everytime a tournament has a disappointing conclusion. You cheer for your favorite player and they get beaten by somebody who, to the untrained eye, has a much easier time. It feels unfair and unjust. And because of the incredible stretch of time it has taken (and let's be real, Terran probably should have been buffed somewhere in 2018 already) this frustration just keeps building.
    3. Terran players do not get taken seriously when expressing their frustrations. We've all seen the trolling and the memes. The frustration from Terran players comes to an extend from feeling unheard. A wise quote dictates: "Riots are the language of the unheard". Mill on those words for a moment. When people feel unheard and disenfranchised, their interaction on the debate becomes hostile and toxic. This is a two-way road, there is no one person to blame for this. It is the result of a community consistently being disrespectful to one another.

    This ties back perfectly to the first point in this list. Terran players have for the longest time felt like the level of skill required to make their army function on a basic level is unfairly distributed when compared to the Protoss or Zerg opponents. This is a fair point of criticism to make, and has been made for years, but currentdays, it rarely leads to a decent conversation. One could ask what specific scenario's make the Terran player feel that way (e.g. Zergling runby's or Warped in Zealots). Could precautions be taken to equalize the required micro and attention? Is the current state desirable or should we be pushing for change in that department?

    Remember Ohana. If we form one front and state "We think Terran micro is too hard when multiple fronts require immediate attention and would like to give Terran options to defend their bases from harassment with less micro required", it's far more likely that Blizzard can respond swiftly and satisfactory. And it is absolutely okay to disagree, but do so in a respectful manner, and take your time to explain your thoughts. We've been drilled to constantly argue in bad faith on the internet, but there's just another passionate fan on the other side of that dreaded screen, and they just want to be understood.

    I hate to say it, but this really is a topic that desperately calls a very good debate.

    So how do we proceed and de-escalate?

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    Every good TED talk ends with words of hope and an action plan, so here goes!

    • Try to consider every presented viewpoint with an open mind. Consider what brought them to their conclusion, ask questions to clarify and try to come to a concensus. It is okay to disagree, but be productive about it.
    • Use your downvote and upvote buttons and use them wisely. Too many times are they abused as a "DISLIKE" button nowadays, but Starcraft has the luxury of having a fairly mature audience and I think we can self-moderate decently well. Call out people who obviously argue in bad faith, are gatekeeping, stonewalling, gaslighting, and all those other fancy verbs people on /r/politics keep using but we don't really understand what they mean.
    • The moderation team should take a more aggressive approach at keeping the discussion on-topic and productive. Far too many threads are allowed to derail in a mudslinging contest and once the mudslinging gets going, the thread is effectively dead and buried. Also, it leads to general toxicity and is a direct cause for people disconnecting.
    • Although difficult to execute, it might be a good idea for the moderation team to experiment with designated threads on a specific balance topic (e.g. the aforementioned unequal attention requirement). Guiding the eternal conflict in one specific direction might help keep emotions in check.
    • Speaking of the mod team: Ban every fucking meme on the planet and burn it in the hellfire of a thousand angry fireflies!!!

    Thank you for coming to my TED talk *chuckles* and I will see you in the Nexus on the ladder!

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    HDH Invitational (Entire tournament in one playlist)

    Posted: 03 Mar 2020 09:59 PM PST

    Shoutout to “SC2 Esports Anthology” on Youtube for organizing old GSL VODs

    Posted: 03 Mar 2020 03:11 PM PST

    This person has put in what has to be an unbelievable amount of work to organize these VODs. The VODs on GOM's channels are split between not one but three different channels, not sorted by playlist or anything else, and have various degrees of specificity in the titles, from anything from just " - Starcraft 2" to the full specificity of "X vs X (XvX) Round of X GSL Open Season 1 2010". Many VODs are missing, private, or simply nonexistent. To organize this total mess into coherent playlists, in the specific order in which they were played, for multiple entire seasons of the GSL (the Open seasons at least, maybe more), must have been an absolutely gigantic undertaking, and it's so important that this history be preserved in a way that we can easily look back on. I don't know who this person is, or if they read this subreddit, or if they're even still active in SC, but whoever you are: thank you from the community.

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    Armani talks about in chat about how PartinG and Special fought

    Posted: 04 Mar 2020 01:49 AM PST

    https://gall.dcinside.com/mgallery/board/view/?id=sc2&no=564546&page=1

    Armani: So juan was drunk first

    A: and to parting

    A:he kinda insulted him

    A: and parting said something in english like

    A: fat pig or smth smth

    A: and juan got mad at him lol

    A: so at like 3 am in the morning ty's sleeping and he went to ty's room crying

    A: he knocked at his door for 10 mins and woke him up and he cried at the spot

    A: lol

    A: ty was sleeping and got mad at him for waking him up

    Wasn't there a pic of him and TY sleeping on the same bed? I guess that was the hidden origin of the pic lol

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    One year ago, a history happened

    Posted: 03 Mar 2020 06:40 AM PST

    Special toughts on tvz and Maru vs Serral

    Posted: 04 Mar 2020 01:42 AM PST

    What's More Important in StarCraft 2 - Game Balance or Game Design?

    Posted: 03 Mar 2020 08:18 AM PST

    "En Taro Adun!" My first tattoo, had to be StarCraft! Done by the amazing Gretta Alva in Ottawa ����

    Posted: 04 Mar 2020 01:03 AM PST

    Top games of 2020 so far

    Posted: 04 Mar 2020 12:11 AM PST

    Hey guys I've been busy for a while and was wondering what were some of the best matches of 2020

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    Zoun v Cure Bo9 PvT Show Match! Thursday March 5th 5pm KST (3am EST /9am CET) - more info in comments

    Posted: 03 Mar 2020 05:25 PM PST

    A Cruddy Zerg Player Spitballing Terran Buffs

    Posted: 03 Mar 2020 05:45 PM PST

    I want Terrans to have a better time. Everyone has a better time when everyone gets to have a good time.

    I'd appreciate this post just being focused discussing ideas mentioned or other new ideas that add to Terran, rather than discussing say nerfing queens or disruptors. Those are very valid discussions, but I want to broaden discussion for fun and prosperity.

    I can't comment on TvT or TvP beyond low level theorycraft, so help me out if I'm off base.

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    When playing bio in particular, an issue for Terran is having to micro bio on multiple fronts. Maybe another defensive option?

    • Bunker build time reduced 0.25 seconds for old times sake
    • Neosteel armour accessible in mid game, and adds shrike turret to the bunker. This gives a tanky defensive building beyond PFs that only cost minerals. Probably will be used offensively, as becomes of all "defensive" buildings lol.
    • Raven defensive matrix. A Brood War classic, I suggest it be researched on a techlab so that it doesn't pair with certain midgame pushes too well. Might end up pairing grotesquely with Mech but heyooo.

    Eco. Nathanias described economy issues well. My reservations here is that Terran has many ~5min or so pushes and BC rushes, this may just make them stronger and nudge people to double down on those timings. Maybe that's fine. Idk.

    • Supply depot 3 seconds faster
    • OC cheaper say 50 minerals less
    • SCVs build at same time as OC

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    Please suggest other new ideas guy in the chat. Be creative. Be nice.

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    The Dark Side of Offline Qualifications

    Posted: 03 Mar 2020 12:13 PM PST

    Im gonna use a throwaway account, to share with the community something that being around since years during any offline qualification matches.

    I played the offline qualifications at IEM KATOWICE, and i regular play and attend to offline qualifications when I have the chance to. One of the problems that 90% of the attending players knows about it - its listening to the streams during the game or getting information about the game, via friend sitting next to you listening to the stream. You may not know, but the delay is minimal, some friends i know, even open the twitch streams on the computers they are playing, but most of the time - it happens via headphones connected to the phone, so you avoid potential caught and shaming. I dont want to share names, but its publicly known that this is being a thing since years, most of the people doing it as i said - with headphones > lets say the left one is connected to the phone, while the right one is the one being used for the in game sound. IEM Katowice wasnt different, from what i heard, even one of the games on day 1 ( the main stream ) , one of the player, was using that method to gain information and advantage.

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    As i said this is a thing since years, specially when you have mass qualification games at once, and referees cant really look up and catch whats going on on the desks. Another thing that in some tournaments exist is - disabling twitch from the computer you are playing, that was not the case in KATOWICE, but as i said - most people are using the phones and left/right headset to listen to a stream.

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    ps: im not saying any of the players that passed the qualifications used it, or if so - i dont know, but its a thing that the community must be aware of, and if possible - to be avoided in future offline qualifications.

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    I'd like to bring a bit of yin to the excessive yang of balance discussions

    Posted: 04 Mar 2020 01:08 AM PST

    As a spectator, I'll admit that the game becomes less interesting when most major and premier tournaments are being dominated by a single race. As a player, I was around during WoL and let me tell you that we are currently spoiled. There are too many variables for SC2 to be balanced perfectly and I'll confidently claim that I don't believe it's possible. However, I think the current balance is so good that the faults probably don't impact upon us as average players.

    I just want to take a moment to acknowledge that we're not watching 3-hour-long games between FireCake and Mana and we're not watching every Zerg rush to Broodlord/Infestor and then just roll over their opponent as though their opponent is sleeping.
    I think we need to be grateful that this 10-year-old game, despite being less lucrative than Blizzard's other projects, is receiving the attention it does.
    I still have great fun playing the game and the tournaments are still thrilling.

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    Brood War is widely considered the most balanced RTS of all time. This is what the last 12 BW tournaments look like when using the recent stats visualisations for SC2.

    Posted: 04 Mar 2020 01:07 AM PST

    I just noticed the esports tag is misspelled

    Posted: 04 Mar 2020 12:24 AM PST

    If StarCraft II has a Unit Class System...

    Posted: 03 Mar 2020 07:44 PM PST

    This is just my opinion. This does not include free units and the Nydus Worm.
    Worker: SCV, Drone, Probe

    Assault: Marine, Zergling, Zealot

    Raider: Reaper, Baneling, Adept

    Infantry Support: Medievac, Queen, Sentry

    Heavy: Marauder, Roach, Stalker

    Infiltrator: Ghost, Lurker, Dark Templar

    Specialist: Ghost, Infestor, High Templar

    ​

    Scout: Hellion, Zergling, Observer

    Enforcer: Hellbat, Cyclone, Ravager, Immortal

    Armor: Siege Tank, Roach, Immortal

    Anti Air: Widow Mine, Hydralisk, Stalker

    Artillery: Siege Tank, Swarm Host, Colossus

    Demolisher: Thor, Ultralisk, Archon, Disruptor

    ​

    Transport: Medievac, Overlord, Warp Prism

    Fighter: Viking, Mutalisk, Phoenix

    Gunship: Banshee, Mutalisk, Oracle

    Air Support: Raven, Overseer, Viper, Oracle

    Frigate: Liberator, Corruptor, Void Ray

    Capital: Battlecruiser, Brood Lord, Carrier, Tempest

    Epic: Mothership

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    best starcraft vanity license plate idea?

    Posted: 04 Mar 2020 01:57 AM PST

    Title.

    I am about to be a first time dad, so 2 days ago I sold my car and got my dad-mobile. I really want to get a starcraft vanity plate.

    The obvious ones ive seen around so far are: -Zergop -Forauir

    anyone have any creative ideas?

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    AlphaStar updates?

    Posted: 04 Mar 2020 01:24 AM PST

    Have there been any alphastar updates since blizzcon? We never got a true showmatch between alphastar and blizzcon champ, only a few games against serral without his keyboard and mouse or have i missed something?

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