Starcraft Afreeca StarLeague Season 10, RO16 Group Nominations thread

The account in rank 1 gm waits until the end of the season and then wintrades to a high rank. They then flood their match history with 0 second games to hide the evidence. They admitted to it in DMs.

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Greatest Generals of All Time

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ZVZ Be Like: (Directors Cut)

Posted: 26 Sep 2020 06:41 PM PDT

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Fun fact: immortals are armored dragoons

Posted: 26 Sep 2020 10:52 PM PDT

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My friend made this incredible Starcraft birthday cake

Posted: 26 Sep 2020 10:18 PM PDT

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Girl: do your sexy face DRG: ughh fine

Posted: 26 Sep 2020 04:23 AM PDT

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Analyzing ZvP 19drone ling flood 2 : Solar's Boogaloo

Posted: 26 Sep 2020 08:59 PM PDT

First analysis: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/ilol7w/pvz_19drone_ling_flood_response_analysis/

I want to kick off this post with this image.

Let's start off with what we covered last time.

The most greedy preparation possible that isn't a build order loss is to make an adept and scout with it as soon as it spawns. This requires the least investment, but consequently has a moderate chance at unsuccessfully scouting. Blind precautions include getting a shield battery before scouting aggression, early sentry, starting your 2nd gate earlier, and continually producing gateway units
Stargate openers are safer against ling floods than robo twilight openers
Keep your wall sealed

What's changed since Dark vs Creator:

Solar and DRG both went up to 20-22 drones, potentially throwing off Zest.

Zest vs DRG (Everdream)

Zest doesn't make an adept at all, and doesn't scout at all past 1 late probe.
Zest opens stargate
Beautifully seals the gate with a probe.

Zest loses because he has ONE gateway unit, which is greedy on multiple levels. No scouting, low defense potential, and no offensive/map pressure. If he had an adept or his stalker sitting in the wall he could've immediately put down a gate, it would've had more health and possibly would have finished. Also, he starts with a stalker and warp gate as his cyber finishes. If Zest gets an adept and delays warp gate instead, he can immediately start his stargate. His cyber finishes at 2:10, if he starts his stargate immediately and chronos his void ray it finishes between 3:11 and 3:20 depending on a couple factors, and the lings land on the wall at 3:04.

I'd like to mention ling speed doesn't finish until 3:22ish, it's safe to scout. There's literally no reason not to know this is coming when you make Zerg take the 3rd as his natural, you have safe vision in between bases until 3:22.

Zest vs Solar (Golden Pillars)

Zest makes an adept, and sends it up his main ramp? Doesn't scout.
Zest opens robo twilight, inherently weaker against 19 ling floods.
Solar prevents Zest from sealing the wall with a drone drill.

Like every cheese loss, this is a small mistake domino effect. If zest scouts he should know the ling flood is coming and the drones don't matter. Have 1 probe at the wall when you know its coming, shade your adept back, and plug the hole before the drones drill through. In fact, just scout and plug the hole as soon as you see a ling flood coming. Drones deal less damage and take up more space than lings, meaning they're a detriment to Zerg's wall dps. If you plug the wall and keep it sealed, you won the game, no other questions asked.

Additional ZvP matches on Everdream since Dark vs Creator (not ling floods).

Zoun vs Soo

Zoun vs Armani (initial match)

Zoun vs Armani (elimination match)

Short Summary on Zoun's everdream play: no blind precautions against 19 ling flood, beyond what could be generic probe scouting. Unfortunately there are no other ZvPs in GSL since Dark vs Creator in ro24. If anybody has some links to ZvP 19 ling floods on everdream at DreamHack I'd be happy to go look at it.

Additional thoughts:

I'm curious if anyone can provide an argument for whether void ray or oracle is better in 19 ling flood situations. Both have the same build time and oracles have higher dps but run out of energy.

No disrespect to Zest for losing to Solar's Pillars of Gold build. As I said in the last thread, there's no shame in losing once to some random off-meta build in a series and it happens to the best players in every match up.

I'm assuming Zest plays stalker first against DRG on everdream because he wants to use the same build that he just used against Solar on everdream. DRG could potentially already have a counter planned, which makes denying vision highly important. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the greed started before the game did. On the same subject, Zest's late probe scout in game 1 baits DRG in to going 12 pool the next game, which Zest handles well because he pylon scouts. I love this kind of out of game planning even if it doesn't always go according to plan. I'm mildly interested in making a full length post about this and similar details, but not sure if I'll get around to it.

Scouting with the first adept on Everdream is unpopular in GSL. Is there something I don't know? The last time a Protoss scouted with their first adept on everdream was zest vs rogue (group D ro16 season 2, match 2 and 5 https://youtu.be/-DBwR3oJadg?t=891) . Nothing bad happened in either match. Only conclusion I can come to is the possibility of the first 4 lings sneaking through the wall before the 2nd gate unit finishes.

I think the standard wall positioning on everdream is unsafe against zerg. Zest (vs DRG) loses 2 buildings and has no further room to rewall, leaving a massive hole. For example, if you wall a little further out you have a lot more space to rewall. https://i.imgur.com/za8HgS3.png Please take this entire statement with a grain of salt, by no means am I a protoss wall expert.

Closing:

I don't think I'll make another post about early ling floods. I doubt we'll see it work again. Fool me four times shame on you, fool me five times shame on me. If you have any other cheeses in any other matchup that you would like to see analyzed in the same fashion please let me know!

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Short album to help new players pick a race.

Posted: 26 Sep 2020 03:36 AM PDT

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I see that the curse is alive and well after all these years....

Posted: 26 Sep 2020 09:06 AM PDT

The moment when Artosis predicted Solar to beat Zest yesterday, I felt a sense of relief as I knew in my heart of hearts that Zest would get the power boost he needed to break through. And by Artosis's powers he did.

Moments later when he predicted Solar to beat Cure, I knew that Solar's fate has been sealed.

Poor Solar, to get double cursed like that is inhumane...

Jokes aside, those were some awesome games. I love GSL; tastosis is an amazing casting duo! Much respect.

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Dreamhaven, Dreamhack & more on our 2nd EU edition of ThePylonShow hosted by Kaelaris!

Posted: 26 Sep 2020 12:41 PM PDT

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Rotti shares a secret

Posted: 26 Sep 2020 11:38 AM PDT

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Highlights 2020 GSL S3 Ro 16 Group B - Cure, DRG, Solar, Zest

Posted: 26 Sep 2020 07:21 PM PDT

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$30k King of Battles NA Qualifiers Live now - Neeb, Special, Clem Showtime, Elazer, Lambo etc

Posted: 26 Sep 2020 11:56 AM PDT

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Resident evil map?

Posted: 26 Sep 2020 10:51 PM PDT

Is the resident evil map still active? If so how can I join? (Just bought remastered)

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Implement a chat block in game

Posted: 27 Sep 2020 01:58 AM PDT

I love this game with a passion as many of you do. One thing that's always made it difficult to play is the constant BM players throw my way. If I play 10 games in one day at least half end with players berating me with abusive chat. If I win or lose it doesn't matter. It bothers me and can make this game really hard to continue playing. I think the easiest solution to this issue is to have a, "block all communication option".

I know many of you will mention how you can block a player at the start of the game. This is fine but also a huge hassle. I don't want to start my game by having to do that. There is already a feature that blocks communication after the game is over, but 99% of the time this will happen in game not after the game. A lot of people will also just say to ignore it if it happens. This can be very difficult to ignore when you go on a loss streak or maybe you are having a bad day. Either way it's something I don't want to experience and I'm sure most would agree.

Of course people will have some valid counters to this suggestion. A big one would be, "what if I am playing a team game and I can't communicate with an ally because he has this setting toggled.". The simple solution is to make the exception for ally communication.

Another thing that would be important to Implement is letting the player know they can't communicate with you. If they are in a 1vs1 with you and say anything in chat they would be notified that you do not receive messages. Yes if this setting is on you wouldn't be able to say gl hf, or gg. But honestly I don't think that's a big deal.

Players who choose to have this setting toggled should also not be able to communicate. One way communication shouldn't be a thing at all. This is a problem that the current setting for after game communication blocking has. You can saying anything you want to the player and they can't message you back. I don't think that's okay.

I know a lot of players are friendly, helpful, respectful, etc. I know this would make the community less social in game. But sometimes you just want to play a game or two without having to read nasty comments in game.

I'm not sure how many people would agree with an addition to blocking all communication. But it's been on my mind for a while and thought I'd see what you all think.

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is there a way to get the translations of korean commentators? I would love to see what TY was saying during the DRG v CURE game

Posted: 26 Sep 2020 09:33 AM PDT

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How on earth did I get matched with this guy on ranked?

Posted: 27 Sep 2020 12:21 AM PDT

Is that MMR difference unranked vs. ranked MMR? I thought that if I was playing ranked, I'd only be matched with other players playing ranked ladder as well.

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Zoun v TIME Bo9 live now! Zoun is back in action and on new map pool!

Posted: 26 Sep 2020 05:55 AM PDT